The stocks were also stamped with code markings which are normally found inside of the sling recess on the left side. annual growth rings, giving Birch a somewhat dull, uniform appearance. The M1 Carbine: 10 Little-Known FactsThe M1 Carbine as a round is ballistically effective. Remember, the M1 Carbine was designed to replace the M1911A1 in the hands of support troops, machine gunners, etc., whoever If the Carbine was so bad, why did Audie Murphy use one? Americans most-decorated soldier of World War II, Lt. It was the chosen weapon of our enemy. More items There is insufficient data to determine if every serial number between the lows and highs was duplicated or if it was random. This Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine uses almost all original Irwin-Pedersen parts that were made prior to Saginaw SG taking over. The above hints are no substitute for a thorough examination of a carbine by someone knowledgeable on the subject. Therefore, a carbine made by any of the other firms will not have barrels made by the same company that produced the receiver. The serial number would make it an early one too. We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. They show light scrapes & areas of discoloration from oxidation. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. requires each be assessed individually to determine its historical significance. Documents found in the past have identified several prime contractors who assigned subsets of their serial numbers to their subcontractor(s). Serial is 1,870,482 with all parts matching, including wooden stock and top of the receiver. The stock shows several scrapes, scratches, and compression marks. This is not an accurate means of estimating the date the carbine was finally assembled or when it passed its final inspection. Carbines have been, and still are,
Parts marked with any other contractors code are almost always a sure sign that the carbine is not all original. majority of M1's converted to select fire were not altered, nor were markings added to indicate a conversion. s/n's intermixed w/IBM s/n's (also see Table E & F). To separate the production of each plant the prime symbol () was marked after the SG on the receivers of the Grand Rapids carbines. The M2 Carbine had a selective fire capability i.e. full auto. Neither the M1 Rifle or the M1 Carbine had a selective fire capability. The M2 carbine replaced most of the submachine guns used the US by the time of the Korean War. A brand new condition stock on a carbine with well-used metal components is a sure indication that something is amiss. Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary
Saginaw Carbines made in the Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . Here is my $50 Saginaw S'G' - IP Carbine. We did not fire this rifle. Most of these marks are light or small. The barrel is an Underwood barrel that was supplied to Saginaw SG. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. We have a
The stock rates in about Very Good Plus overall condition. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. or may have other markings. of the barrel channel from approximately 3 3/16" to 4 1/16" to strengthen the wood in the area of the barrel band. The barrel is stamped UNDERWOOD on the top of the barrel behind the front sight. The letter X preceding the serial number
During the course of production of the Type III stock for the M1 Carbine several manufacturers began making changes
Stay in the know. Saginaw M1 Carbine .30 Carbine Semi-Auto Rifle Blue Sky Import - C&R - 12500203. Made in the Winter of 1943. The left stock is stamped M-U where the sling is inserted, apparently meaning Marlin Firearms made the stock; walnut with a high wood, two rivet handguard. found to indicate this was done by the original manufacturer(s). Saginaw or Saginaw'. Alcohol, Tobbaco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. Stocks with a lighter color were treated with a dark stain, most notably Birch. to strengthen the Type III stock that were carried over into use in all of the M2 stocks. Also, any indention in the wood at the tip of the stock covered by the barrel band should be examined. The best way to ensure an item is yours is to purchase it directly off the website. A total of over 6.1 million M1 carbines of various models were manufactured, making it the most produced small arm for the American military during World War II (compared with the machining of the wood below the recoil plate to provide better support. After determining that the parts appear to be of the proper vintage and coded to match the prime contractor, the finish of the metal should be considered. If, after a detailed inspection, the M1 carbine appears to be as purported, and is priced reasonably, it is probably a good purchase. Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments Underwood name removed, Winchester name & s/n, Underwood name not lined out, Underwood s/n, Inland s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, Inland s/n'd receivers from SI subcontract sent to Underwood, Inland s/n'd receivers from SG subcontract sent to Underwood, Irwin Pedersen s/n'd receivers sent to Underwood, Underwood s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, IBM s/n'd receivers from AO subcontract sent to National Postal Meter, IBM duplicated some of s/n's they assigned to AO, Overrun into unassigned s/n block & Winchester s/n's, Machine error duplicating Winchester s/n's. The bore is mint. Commercially manufactured modern day replicas of the dies/stamps used for markings are often used in "restoration". Bore Condition:The muzzle and grooves are light gray. The letters were followed by
My IP is in the first serial block--1776xxx. The bolt is marked IP on the right lug which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 36). It has a barrel stamp of 10-43, but also has the stamp of Blue Sky/ Arlington, VA. Everything appears to be original and shows very little wear. This Inland M1 Carbine was made back in 1944. Visit our website for new treasures daily. Among the most sought after U.S. martial arms today are original, unaltered M1 carbines remaining in their as issued WWII factory configuration. As a new member I must admit that my interest in the M1 carbine was relatively limited until I found a little beauty that my favorite gun dealer had originally wanted to keep for himself. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition as refinished. Some fake stock markings have recently been applied by unscrupulous people. Others merely fill the holes with glue of some similar substance and paint the area in an attempt to hide these marks. This M1 Carbine will stand out in any collection. The varnish is a little thin around the sling cutout. see comments at the best online prices at eBay! Receiver or barrel or? Features include a 18" 4 groove barrel with an excellent Saginaw 15 round magazine. The right side of the receiver shows some thinning from cycling. It will add to your WWII collection. With World War 2 M1 sling. The smooth push button safety is marked E-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 95 & 185). That's a beauty! This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. Thank you. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. If you own one of these carbines and would like to assist with the
XA through XD was assigned for use by their Engineering Section on carbines built for testing and evaluation by their engineers. barrel includes a date, it may provide a general idea of when the barrel was attached to the receiver. This resulted in an unknown number of "presentation" carbines possibly having the same serial number as the earlier Engineering carbines. If a stock has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood but is absent the cutout for the
We buy and sell collectible firearms and militaria ranging from the Civil War to Desert Storm, specializing in WW1 & WW2. The Grand Rapids facility stopped carbine production on 01 Jan 1944 but continued to make receivers and trigger housings which were sent to the Saginaw Plant for assembly. We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. A circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle stamped in the bottom of the handgrip (above left) was sometimes used as a proof mark at several prime contractor facilities to indicate a completed carbine
You sir have seemed to have done a lot of research on the history of each manufacture. There is no bayonet lug. on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in
The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. This rareIrwin-PedersenM1 Carbine is in Very Good Plus condition. Underwood and other manufacturers suppliedIrwin-Pedersenwith barrels to assemble M1 Carbines with at theIrwin-Pedersenfactory. General Motors Steering Gear Division. The stamps used for the Caliber .30 Carbine stocks are also available. SOLD - Saginaw Gear M1 Carbine. Older Post Irwin-Pederson (IP) secured a contract to produce M1 Carbines for the war effort in March of 1942. The magazine shows scrapes, thin scratches, and discoloration from oxidation. There are some exceptions to this rule as several prime contractors are known to have utilized parts made for other prime contractors. I have a Saginaw SG 3.22 million range. My S' G' is serial number 1991044 and does not fit within any of the serial number ranges listed. Saginaw Gear made receivers with wide locking tangs. 217: M1 Carbine Barrel Band Type 3 (Bayonet lug)Used G.I. To get better and faster responses and opinions. The magazine is marked I-P-K upside down which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark not listed in our source material (page 142 -143). Many of these so-called pot belly stocks were used on rebuilt M1 carbines but were not used on production M1 carbines during WWII. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left which is consistent with Saginaw SG and others (page 29). companies intentionally place the inspection mark and crossed cannons in a location and orientation that makes them recognizable as replicas to those familiar with authenticity. Inland Mfg - Engineering & Presentation Gifts. Underwood supplied barrels for Irwin-Pedersen (page 50). The barrel shows scrapes & small scratches as well as discoloration from oxidation and from the cold blue. Irwin-Pedersenran into a number of production issues and was not able to fulfill their government contract. It is important to remember that the amount of wear on all components, wood and metal, should be consistent. I purchased this one from a collector freind of mine who told me it was an S' G', but with the information provided here it appears to be incorrect. 30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW SG / 3289121. What are you basing your question on? The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which is a Saginaw Gear mark (page 65). Questions should be posted in the appropriate forum. CARBINE / CAL. $145.00 ea. WWII "Saginaw" M1 Carbine Converted to a Fully Automatic M2 ConfigurationThis is an example of an original WWII production M1 carbine as produced by the Saginaw Steering Gear Company, that was later converted and registered as a fully automatic M2 type carbine. Thank you. Markings: There is no visible import mark. Military AAY inspector stamp on left of stock near reciever. Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors Grand Rapids. Sights / Optics:The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. All original WWII carbine bolts are believed to have been blued. Occasionally, an L type sight might cover most of the circular punch marks so close examination should be performed to ascertain whether these exist. To get better and faster responses and opinions. Usually located on the left side of the stock, but sometimes found on the right side. An Ordnance supplement
Therefore, it is very important to examine the rear sight dovetail area very closely even though the correct type of non-adjustable rear sight may be present. There are a variety of reasons things may have been changed or simply ignored. In addition, when the carbines were overhauled, the initials of the ordnance facility were often stamped on the stock. Saginaw Steering Gear in nearby Saginaw, MI was already engaged in the preparation for
At least one document has been found that indicates Saginaw received Ordnance
Both were Divisions of General Motors but were located in different cities. Saginaw = SG; Saginaw (Grand Rapids) = SG Standard Products = S; Irwin-Pedersen = IP; IBM = B; Rock Ola = R; National Postal Meter = N; Quality Hardware = Q; Underwood = U; Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be Some people estimate a carbine's date of manufacture by adding the quantities manufactured month to month
It appears the bridge may have been eliminated on type III stocks
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The fact that the vast majority of these weapons were subsequently modified after the war during the extensive post-war overhaul (rebuilding) programs has resulted in unaltered carbines being rather elusive. It is possible you have an S'G' barrel that was mated to a Stan Prod. The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 Stock Group Wood & Finish Walnut Birch The two most common types of wood used for Caliber .30 Carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. Are you sure it is a Saginaw? After WWII many stocks & handguards did not have a manufacturers mark. I have some other shooters so this one has been a safe queen. Walnut, Birch, and Cherry stocks were placed in raw linseed oil for a period of time,
The elimination of the bridge strengthening the stock forward of the trigger housing weakened this area making it prone to cracks. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our. Waste of time. These receivers were purchased by Winchester. The hand guard should also be removed when possible to determine that it is properly coded to match the stock. Many were constructed using whatever parts
IP used some Rockola wood at their start up. The LOP measures 13 inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. until Ordnance arranged for additional barrel manufacturers. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. organized, dont tell you a lot about what youre buying, and leave you on your
for carbines having damaged or obliterated serial numbers. No documentation from Ordnance, or any of the prime contractors, has been found that indicates the date and serial number of carbines as they were assembled or when they passed
Saginaw (S.G.)-Main Manufacture and identification codes: "S.G."-Main plant location: Saginaw, Michigan.-Average Cost to Government per completed rifle, $38.00 This included a few of the previous Engineering carbines no longer needed. The barrel markings are well defined. Marked INLAND MFG. The receiver is marked SG under the wood and uses a wide locking tang. I recently purchased an M1 carbine manufactured by Quality Hardware that has a bayonet lug. 30 M1.; the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 3426991. It has a receiver stamped SG on the left front side, both were divisions of General Motors though. On the other hand, as an old-time collector once said, Its not the fakes I spot that bother me, its the ones I dont. Winchester continued this practice with their type IV M2 stocks and it became the
service to the online gun buying experience that is unheard of. SOLD - Factory Chrome Walther PPK - Rare. I'll give you $150.00 for it so you can double your return. No matter what you hunt, or what type of gun you prefer to hunt with, Guns.com offers options for everyone. Barrel Date: September, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. Refer to the page on Post World War II Activities for a list of the markings and further information. Both were Divisions of General Motors. of a company that is committed to your satisfaction. If you choose to do so please
I recently picked up an M1 Carbine, manufactered by Inland MFG DIV/ General Motors. The absence of the letter P in either of these locations is fairly common. In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin-Pedersen in Grand Rapids. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. and is not a very late production Inland or Winchester, one may rest assured that the piece is a post-war rebuild or has been assembled from parts. The barrel is marked "SAGINAW S.G. DIV. Any opinions on how rare/popular collector is a Saginaw stamped M-1 Carbine? Front sight marked with N. Military Crossed Cannons Cartouche on right mid stock face. Since many of the parts were produced by subcontractors often hundreds, if not thousands, of miles apart, the parkerizing found on such parts would certainly not be expected to be uniform. Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Rapids. I'm sure it's not all original. Copyright 2012-document.write(new Date().getFullYear())
After WWII it was not uncommon for M1 Carbines to be converted to select
Saginaw receivers with Saginaw serial numbers have been reported with S'G' markings. It's an S'G' not an S.G. The rifle comes with a 15 round magazine. Make: Saginaw SG. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. During the production of their type III stocks in 1945 Winchester changed
I can't find out who made it. I've spent the day going over my Inland. The buttplate shows light scrapes & some discoloration along the edge. It is in about Very Good Plus overall condition. How much is a CMP Garand worth? A M1 GARAND rifle is currently worth an average price of $2,024.47 new and $1,615.82 used . How much is an M1 Garand in 2020? M1C Garand Sniper Model The gun comes with one period-correct magazine. During WWII the only stocks made with Birch were made by Sprague & Carleton Co. of Keene, NH for IBM (SC-B). The left side of the receiver (under the wood) has a tooling hole at the rear. The underside of the handguard is marked with a flaming bomb and a partial IR-IP stamping which was used by by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 138). Winchester made 828,059, followed by Underwood Elliott-Fisher at 545,616, Chambered in .30 cal, A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. Most WWII carbines had hand guards with two rivets rather than the four rivet hand guards found on later production carbines and many rebuilds. A few unconverted type III stocks absent the bridge have
Curio & Relics and Black Powder Firearms, Old School shooting fun! The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. M1 Carbine Markings Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. Need Help Identifying Marks and value on My New SG M1. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. Examples being outdated parts and prototype parts that had accumulated throughout the various
Contracts had a completion date but there was no requirement for completing one contract before starting another. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. Some manufacturers used more than one
Ordnance also inspected
Irwin-Pedersenhad assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government. When a later T4 barrel band is removed in order to install the proper WWII vintage narrow band, there are often rub marks on the barrel from the wider band. for use with a select fire mechanism. been observed but are uncommon. There is a P stamp where it should be. The receiver, bolt, and trigger group have been refinished. the store. Hi everyone, I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. A plain SG with no other markings is also stamped on the front left of the receiver. This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. The hammer is marked SG which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 89). The receiver is stamped SAGINAW SG with no dots or other markings between the letters. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. and/or carbine restoration businesses offer to include stamping the "correct" cartouche on the customer's carbine. Our Assessment:ThisSaginaw SG M1 Carbine was built sometime between 1942 and 1944 from the remaining parts at the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Rapids. No import markings. As solutions to old problems were learned, some of the same
We offer a 7 day inspection period and hassle free returns to ensure every customer is happy with whatever they buy from us. Good luck. Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines and history here: Please don't Private Message me for Carbine questions. Yellow Birch heartwood tends to be a light reddish brown, with nearly white sapwood. Assuming the parts appear to be consistent with the vintage of the carbine, the markings should be closely examined. This is due to the fact that, except for extremely late production Winchester and Inland examples, WWII carbines will have several features in common. Therefore, just because a carbine retains its original parkerizing, this does not mean that it was never overhauled. They now sell for $4.50 to $7.00 each. own to figure out what you want. I've got one with (JJ) in a circle , on the flipper, on a Winchester. Serial numbered receivers transferred were not restricted to a certain block of serial numbers. Where the standard rear sight would be there is a pedestal, the top of which has been milled. I just picked up a sear marked "XI". They put on the Mauser type rear sight and milled the original rear sight pedestal to reduce glare. The front sight is marked N which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 56). Rebuild marks are rarely forged as they devalue the carbine in the eyes of most collectors. There is virtually no color distinction between
The inside of the operating slide is marked IP which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 65). The decision for which receivers
standard for all type V M2 pot belly stocks by all manufacturers. On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table, choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. When did they change for from SG to S'G' markings? My guess is that since the receiver has the SG on the left front, it's probably a Saginaw-Saginaw and not a Saginaw-Grand Rapids (IP). Saginaw marked the Grand Rapids factory M1 Carbines SG to differentiate them from the ones produced at the original Saginaw plant. Thinning on the trigger group. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. Barrels were a critical component in the production lines. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition. customers to the absolute best of our abilities. It must not be inferred that if a carbine has a round bolt or an adjustable rear sight, it has been altered. The 15 round magazine is not available to residents of California or any other state with magazine capacity restrictions. The trigger group is marked SG on the right rear which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 78). DIV. Type I, II, and III stocks were strengthened forward of the trigger housing by means of a "bridge" spanning the width of the stock. Resulting in the change of the design to the type V stock. The bore shows an M.E. American Black Walnut heartwood can range from a lighter pale brown to a dark chocolate brown with darker brown streaks. No one, so far, at CMP has ID'ed it yet. would be used for the U.S. Carbine Models M1 or M1A1, and some of the M2's, were made well after the receiver was completed as all of these models used the same receiver. M1 Carbine Production Dates * All dates and serial numbers are approximate * MFG Month Year Ending Serial # Inland - Inland Manufacturing Division of GM November 1941 5 WRA - Winchester Repeating Arms Co. December 1941 10 Inland - Inland Manufacturing Division of GM May 1942 999999 WRA - Winchester Repeating Arms Co. September 1942 1349999 Ser. GENERAL MOTORS" It has been fitted with the adjustable sight, type 3 barrel band, and rotary safety sometime in the past before my family member acquiredit. With World War 2 M1 sling. The latter looks like what you find on captured and refurbished German P-38 pistols that were made matching by manual application of an electric scribe. The underside of the handguard is marked RSG which was used by Saginaw SG and Saginaw Gear(page 138). 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. Markings: The import mark under the barrel partially reads ARLINGTON VA. There is grease residue on the receiver. The stock is pretty clean and has cartouche markings on it. Inland receivers initially rejected because of an off spec deep hole drilled for the recoil spring and guide, later recovered and altered to use a detachable main spring housing). M1 Carbine Saginaw Type 1A barrel band complete. had passed inspection. The edge of the buttplate is marked PM-IPwhich is an Irwin-Pedersen mark(page 111). Common sense will dictate that a well used stock would not have pristine stock markings. My Saginaw serial 332xxxx also doesn't have any dots, just SAGINAW SG. There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. CARBINE / CAL. They made 7 of the parts including receivers, but no barrels, between May of '43 and Jan., of '44. This bridge was eliminated with all M2 stocks and removed from earlier stocks later converted
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Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 90% of its metal finish as refinished. Model:M1 Carbine. It has a high wood stock and the serial number is in the 3.3 mils. Saginaw took over production in Grand Rapids and marked the facilities M1 Carbines SG to differentiate them from the ones produced at the original Saginaw plant. The serial numbers allocated to these carbines were as follows. Is any of this "original" or a product of a couple rebuilds? Also, have bandoliers & stripper clips & sling. Each prime contractor was assigned a code letter: Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be expected to have all R coded parts. Simi Valley, CA 93065. The stock seems to be varnished. your community AND if they have it in stock, you can pick your gun up
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