Enatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. You also have to remember the example you've given is a really fringe situation exploiting several mechanics. I used autonomous most often which gives some flat bonuses. For hellenic rome, warmongering, unrelenting, civilized and im not sure about the last one since the pontifex maximus was not very strong in his authority, having powers like fixing the calendar. Haruspicy and Astrology effects. In addition, all pagan faiths can be reformed. Crusader Kings II. It got to the point where I was raiding not based on gold or number of holdings or artifacts or anything like that, but simply based on the size of the ruler's court; I figured it would give me more chances to capture folks for the sacrifices. That deserves recognition. Some of them are stronger than the regular doctrines. I think Polygamy would be powerful. There are provinces with Bn faith in Tibet throughout the game but last playable rulers vanish in 1251, leaving Buddhists ruling Tibet. Pretty useless outside india but with gavelkind sucession you can have a demesene of twenty counties. "Why would you want infidels to tolerate you? Suomenusko, religion of the Finno-Ugric people stretches from the Baltic Sea to Siberia. Though, Unyielding isnt perfect. There is a trait that gives u another +5 same religion opinion. Top tier for me are Catholicism/Fraticelli and the Muslim ones. Which religion is best? When I started writing this tier list I wanted to put all natures in one tier, but realised I have never really used dogmatic and proselytizing because they feel lackluster to me. Basically we attack opposite gender ruler, depose him/her and force our gender law on their realm. Holding the Blood Games in the Grand Amphitheater grants an additional 200 Prestige. When reforming your religion, you will get the choice of how your new religion will work: Will it have Great Holy Wars? Warmongering: I think most of us are familiar with it, because unreformed Germanics and Tengri have it. Stability is useless without Eldership law. Example: Your sister matri marries some guy from Ashina dynasty, they have a daughter for example, all you have to do is to matri marry her to your male heir. Priests cannot inherit. Romuva does not disappear from the world at any starting date, but will eventually be pushed back by Christians. +40% garrison size in county of this religion. Sometimes simple solutions are the best. Also unrelenting is heavily underrated. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, it is lost. Levy size bonus from unreformed Aztec faith will be lost. Incompatible with Sons Of Ragnarok and Invaders doctrines. Posted January 4, 2019. Cairo is distant and usually controlled by major Muslim powers. Pont Valentr Press J to jump to the feed. AI rulers only convert same-group provinces and only when zealous. Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. (There is one exception. Right now before I will be able to even convert rest of my provinces, they already do it.*. Eastern Orthodoxy, Miaphysite Christianity, Allows sacrifice of thralls captured in raids, Allows sacrifice of courtiers to read entrails, Once per decade interpretation of stars by religious head or court chaplain if none exists, Education improvement synergy and Meliorism improvement synergy. If we pick it as germanic, tengri or aztec we will lose any troop bonus that we couldve inherited from unreformed religion. +10% Attack for all units. Kiev in 769 is notably a start whose default ruler, Dobrava Turov, is a woman. Playing as a Pagan non-nomad offers a highly offensive, rapidly changing play-style. Check out other interesting CK2 guides and articles: CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Immortality Event ID and Guide|CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Strange Chest Item and Event Results|CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Retinues Guide. on Paradox technology, Legal It is important to quickly convert vassals who still follow the old faith due to the large opinion penalty. All units gain 80% to defense when fighting enemies in a province of the combatant's religion. As such, it is best used when the player is ready for their nation to "mature" from aggressive expansion against small targets to needing to maintain an empire. Others have concvinced me that Hellenic is the best overall. Standard stuff for defensive pagans. However, stability is very low, and you have little control over your realm. Unlocks Raiding if unavailable (eg Hellenic). Don't @ me, if you dis. "IN THEORY" 95% of the time it works every time. Only if I could mark "Helpful" multiple times Is making your concubine who was a "raid-captured daughter of enemy duke" your vassal queen, and then murdering her an exploit? Helps a lot when vs crusades or aztecs trying to meme on you. Wait. which is available immediately to Tribal realms with a reformed pagan religion). No female temple holders. There are 6 Natures you can choose from, all with their advantages and disadvantages: Peaceful Bonuses +3 Demesne limit. While its holy sites are in locations which are easily taken, most of them lack a temple holding which means holy sites only give half of the usual Moral Authority, forcing Tengri rulers to either build temples or take control of all holy sites. Two mutually exclusive bloodlines can be created by this process. Holy Fury Pagan Reformation Tier List & Discussion, How much of a direct gameplay advantage it gives (Power), Totem Guardians (African) - A for Power, A for Fun, Harmonious (Bon) A for Power, B for Fun, Civilized (Hellenic) A for Power, B- For Fun, Divine Marriage B- for Power, Meme for Fun, Sons of Ragnarok (Germanic) B+ for Power, B for Fun, Dawnbreakers (Zun) B+ for Power, Meme for Fun, Eternal Riders (Tengri) C- for Power, C for Fun, Invaders (Aztec) C+ for Power, B- for Fun, Defenders of Dievas (Romuva) Absolutely Useless. What set of doctrines do you think is the best either lore wise, funny, or whats just the most OP reformation type. Ironically, the low technology is a greater issue after the adoption of feudalism, as feudal realms require higher tech for the construction of buildings. Playing from this start is more difficult, as Kiev is bordered to the south by the Tengri Khaganate of Magyars. Seers (court chaplains) have a significant penalty to the chance to convert provinces on top of their likely-lower moral authority, and vassals cannot be demanded to convert. "IN THEORY" 95% of the time it works every time. Characters get a Rite of Passage when reaching adulthood. The only realm following this faith is the Zunbil Satrapy in western Afghanistan. However, by 1337, only two chiefs in northern Finland/Sweden follow the faith, with the rest of Finno-Ugric lands being divided between Catholic/Orthodox Christians and the Sunni Golden Horde. Also Temporal gives u cool(gives tons of piety and prestige per month) lvl 4 artifact . Raiding unavailable if culture doesn't allow raiding. The Slavic faith is followed, as the name suggests, by the Slavic peoples of Europe. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Certain pagans have access to additional succession laws. I like Romuva and Suomensusko the best but I don't have much experience with Bon but I think I'll try them soon. No female temple holders. It just looks so good: +80% Defense and +80% morale for all units if fighting at county of this religion. I think that'd be the best. Sky Burials. Also, nomads are often an exception due to their unique mechanics. To debate theology, go elsewhere. Enatic clans is still good because vassal duchies wont merge every generation but they're infinitely worse than agnatic clans. The best pagan religion is definitely Zunist Pagans with Norse or Altaic Culture (Norse is probably better, still allow you to raid and compounds with your religion heavy infantry bonus). The reformed Pagan religions are usually pretty nice. Engage in courtly intrigue, dynastic struggles, and holy warfare in medival Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, India, the steppes and Tibet. Recommended Posts. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Ancestor Worship decision available. Holy Sites: You want to play Sunni, because you can either get free learning or piety for even faster conquests. Access to Hermetic society (but Hermetics still suffer -10 temple opinion). You can join the Hermetics (without unpausing) via temporary conversion to an appropriate religion (eg. Hi, before Holy Fury release I posted my tier list for pagan doctrines, https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/9sfvtr/my_holy_fury_reformation_doctrine_tier_list/. Fleet can navigate through major rivers, but maintenance cost remains full. Eternal Raiders will take away bonus for levy and light cavalry and give us 10% bonus attack for all our troops, don't know if its fair exchange, I will do maths later, and as I said polygamy just sucks and is a prestige drain, on top of that now tribals with polygamy mechanic (muslims and reformed pagans with polygamy) will use wife mechanics instead of concubines. Prisoners of different religions can be sacrificed for Piety. You finally conquered all the holy sites and can reform your pagan religion in Crusader Kings II (CK2), but there are so many choices now that you just need to look up what everything means. Although I admit the bloodline bugs with male consorts are beyond annoying. This attrition only applies in provinces of the same religion as their ruler, so Germanic pagans won't lower their enemies' supply limits in Slavic territory. It gets pretty boring tbh. Two mutually exclusive bloodlines can be created by this process. Additionally, Unyielding is a bit of a jack of all trades if you want to blob, Proselyting is better for converting provinces. Now that you have no fast way to expand through pagan lands, you may wish to convert to a culture that allows use of the Tribal Invasion CB, so you can quickly expand through infidel lands instead. Charlemagne starts I tried so far seem to be financially starved, since it takes forever to get the basic naval tech and start raiding proper. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. The faith is widespread in early starting dates, and some of the realms, such as Croatia, are already feudal rather than tribal. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG video game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S developed & published by Paradox Interactive. It's aimed at more of the casual/intermediate player. Unrelenting cannot be picked with unyielding, and it cancels out any unreformed levy or troops bonus. Late to the party but I like this one; for the purpose of acquiring bloodlines. Generic Paganism and Hellenism, obivously. Women can take up to 3 consorts. You have the pentarchy system, a patriarch if you are king tier or higher, no pope who steals your money, no overpowered crusades and the like etc. With Holy Fury, Zunists can raid after reformation, as long as the reformed faith does not have the Peaceful nature. Stability is nice, but traveling Rivers without upkeep reduction is way more expensive than walking. Knowing that Civilized is the best "peaceful" doctrine, pair that with stability, temporal so you decide your own holy wars and get a permanent artifact and set it to proselytize so that every follower of your religious works to eliminate religious bordergore. Pagans may fight back in the name of the old gods, and even seek to eliminate the monotheists from Europe. Pagan religions may gain a religious head and a Great Holy War (Crusade CB) if they reform. You trade some of your offensive/defensive capability for stability, faster conversion, and Great Holy Wars to combat Crusades and Jihads. Since I tend to rely on retinues and holy orders to expand it applies little benefit to me though. Depends on what you want. The reformed Pagan religions are usually pretty nice. You are using an out of date browser. Clearly Messalian. Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows. But you're right, in some situations it's really powerful. if you raid a lot + capture bonus from society + capture bonus from the military trait. Enatic Clans doctrine is extra powerful because one can easily 'breed in' several bloodlines by simply doing matrilineal marriages over a few generations. Leadership. The religious head can decide upon death to venerate a given ancestor, in a process similar to sainthood. Marry 4 women with good traits, then pick the best kid that pops out. In the north, start in Novgorod, Poland, or Kiev and form your corresponding de jure kingdom first, then work your way to the other two holy sites. Full status of woman law is enforced. In game terms, all pagan religions fall into one of two broad groups, with a few exceptions - the offensively-oriented Germanic, Hellenic (Greco-Roman), Tengri and Aztec faiths, and the defensively-oriented Romuva (Baltic), Slavic, Suomenusko (Finnish), African, and Bn (Tibetan) faiths. Also, as tech advances, rival feudal realms can take advantage to construct better buildings for greater economic and military power. When the religion is reformed, rulers of the faith may choose to accept or reject the new order of things. Levy size & attack bonus from unreformed Tengri faith will be lost. Meritocracy does have a major downside in that you can only designate your children, making it difficult to get your genius strong nephew on the throne or skip a generation. Toggle signature. Another approach is to try new mechanics (to pick Haruspicy, Animism, Veneration) or to add useful abilities to existing faiths (e.g. (Hellenic religion lacks concubines), You can't declare holy wars if You have the peaceful doctrine. And you can make a chain of your demesne inside the silk trade route. The Orthodox Pentarchy is also fun. More posts you may like r/CrusaderKings Join 3 days ago CK2 6.4K 103 r/CrusaderKings 5 days ago 867 enatic bloodline,African religion for consorts, cosmopolitan for husbands, syncretic to remove penalties, divine marriage so you can seduce and cosort acquire bloodlines, autonomous for a floating Dynasty opinion, fertility, or another +10 religion modifier. Finding one of the few Hellenic characters, and having them educate your child or granting them a title: This page was last edited on 16 August 2022, at 07:19. Expect frequent raids and wars between realms that accept the new faith and those that reject it. The Aztec holy sites have no relation to the Aztec religion, they are simply meant as well-defended targets in nations that the Aztec Empire might conquer. West African religion is a blanket term for the diverse pagan beliefs of the tribes of Sub-Saharan West Africa. Hellenic Paganism : A. With Holy Fury, the Hellenic and Bn faiths can be reformed. Matrilineal marriages are disabled. AI rulers are more aggressive.AI rulers only convert same-group provinces and only when zealous Sometimes simple solutions are the best. Enatic and Agnatic clans allow us to get open succession law which is super strong as we know from muslims. And isn't Civilized like a dream? What, in your opinion, is the best handgun? Totally fine for religions without 30% levy bonus, but if you want to expand then other natures are better. )Best religion for gold income as liege : sunni Due to the additional tax from holdings in counties without Muslim religion. Children of Perun is weak. Also offsets short reign. Agnatic, stability are very safe options, but with the ship tech boost i always manage to kidnap one of "Niall of the 9 hostages" bloodline carrier, then incorporate tanistry after 2 gens into my empire. JavaScript is disabled. It requires either control of three holy sites and 50% moral authority, or control of all five holy sites. As I said in OP, if you are Roman Emperor you cannot designate heir for your top tittle. The strongest position for the faith is at the 867 bookmark, where the Tibetan Empire has fractured and Bn kings of Guge & -Tsang hold large areas of the Tibetan plateau under their control. Tribal vassals who follow in reformation will no longer have opinion penalties for higher levels of tribal organization, no longer faction to lower tribal organization, and will usually vote in favor of increasing tribal organization. Rulers do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. In 800 CE. Every religion in the world pretty much tolerates you, it's pretty stable, and you can marry back into it to acquire bloodlines if you leave it somewhere to grow by itself. D. Nature: If you picked peaceful nature, I suggest you pick Autonomous leadership(since Peaceful doctrine anyway disables GHW). Youre all but guaranteed the successor you want, and unlike Open succession you dont have to worry about your AI heir doing stupid things when you land them. Valve Corporation. Is it really cheesy/gamey though? Note that reformed pagans may not send missionaries, the only organized religion group with this distinction. The other pagan faiths have a duke-level religious leader who becomes a vassal of the reforming ruler, similar to the Orthodox religion's patriarch. Generic Tengri paganism allows for more levies. AI rulers only try to convert provinces if zealous. Bloodthirsty Gods effects. Diviner read signs before a war to try to improve troop morale. I haven't reformed a lot of pagan faiths, but when I do reform a pagan faith, I tend to pick the same four options every time (Unyielding - Enatic Clans & Unique - Autonomous). Proselyting - ??? - Discussion. Peacefull is OK, but greatly reduces your ability to expand. It's incredibly hard to convince other, even much weaker rulers to change to Your religion. Seabound is just useless without Daring and picking these two doctrines is silly (unless we are not getting bored with constant raiding on our foes). What options do you think is best for each, norse, slavic, tengri, etc? If that bloodline gets passed down it's a great way to boost up prestige in the early reign of your descendants. Male pagan rulers may take up to three concubines in addition to a wife (except for Hellenic pagans who cannot have multiple spouses or concubines unless the polygamy doctrine is chosen when reforming). Anyway, good list and I have to say I agree on most of the points! Disallow avuncular marriage and cousin marriage. Community Patch with Improved Genetics 2.0 and Other Mods, Pagan Ancestor and Sea King Bloodline Changes, https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Bloodline#Ancestor_Veneration_Bloodlines. Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows, disqualifying them from succession. Concubines not allowed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igw2ec-Lp6c, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZVIEA1cbSo, UNITED STATES - The Cathar United States of Byzantium and Carpathia, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/regional-livonian-mod.849150/. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, it is lost. I usually take unyielding but in the future I think I'll go with Proselytizing. Temporal rests power with you, and gives you bonuses, and you can . They are only playable in the 769 bookmark unless Ruler Designer is used. By choosing to reform your pagan religion, you will lose all the old advantages such as attrition for enemies and subjugation wars, but gain all the bonuses of a civilized nation. In fact I was really surprised they didn't do anything with Manichaeanism in HL. However, a religion can only have one "unit modifier", so offensive pagans will lose levy size and other bonuses if they select a reformation feature that adds a competing "unit modifier". ), creating negative synergy (though you can combine Unyielding with Animistic but dont cause Animistic is awful). Priests cannot marry and cannot inherit. If you want to play tall/stable, Peaceful is often better. Unlocks Raiding if unavailable (e.g. Daring is a good way to lose moral authority because AI is incompetent, and we as a player will need prepared invasion only once (maybe twice). Yea i know all that, and i never said i liked it. For the reference https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Reformation, Nature: Two tiers here. And the Indian religions. If fighting unreformed pagans is a priority after reformation, the Unrelenting doctrine or the Tengri equivalent (Eternal Riders) is recommended. The lack of a formal religious tradition means that pagans have a harder time spreading their faith outside pagan lands. AI rulers will try to convert their provinces. Partially redundant with Sea-Bound doctrine. No Revolt Risk for different religion in county. 1. AI rulers will try to convert their provinces. The Germanic reformer becomes the Fylkir, a ducal-level secular leader similar to an Islamic Caliph. Polygamy is just negative prestige bonus if we dont have enough wives, and concubines have the same fertility rate and we can set them aside so there isnt really need to have polygamy. C. Civilized/Religious Tax: The best Doctrine you can possibly pick. Great Holy War against a single disfigured child. (Especially after mass conversions.). However, the religion's holy sites are scattered far and wide making reformation very hard. Penalty to moral authority (-15%) and to mission. What, in your opinion, is the best aim training? Religious tax wouldn't be that high tier for me, I see it as rather pointless. For example, if you want to paint the map, pick Temporal and use GHW. I used syncretism as my doctrine in my Jurchen Bon game, its nice little bonus to relations if we want multi-culti empire, with a bit of rng help we can get 2 sympathies at once (with the use of faith focus). Equality can be achieved with enough tech by the year 950+ . But later, feudal realms grow their income more quickly, while raiding becomes less feasible as targets consolidate. Raiding culture allows the use of armies to raid while fabricating claims, and still get piety for remaining at peace. You must log in or register to reply here. Ship maintenance reduced to 10%. Doubles the pool for good commanders and councillors and as a bonus you can give consorts to your daughters. Allows building the Sacrificial Altar feature of Great Temple, Great Stone Circle, Aztec Pyramid and Stonehenge, as well as the Grand Amphitheater. If tribal, remember that demesne counties which are still following the old faith will give less tax and levies. Both my character and Christianity are based. choosing Polygamy for Hellenism, which has no access to concubinage or choosing the Children of Perun doctrine to make use of major Russian rivers to transport armies). If consorts are available and the Peaceful religion nature and Tribalist traits from Autonomous leadership outweigh the Short Reign penalty (and the player ensures that most vassals are of the player's dynasty), it makes sense to pick Divine Marriage instead of Stability, to get an even higher score from Divine marriages, in situations where inbreeding is already likely. However, the longer the faith goes unreformed, the weaker it becomes. For conquests Islam is way too OP if you're not a nomad. Enatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. If the last two holy sites are difficult to reach, the best way to obtain the necessary moral authority is through county conquests and raids. Levy size bonus from unreformed Aztec faith will be lost. It basically removes any fear of a succession crisis ever again, and Enatic gets the slight edge by basically giving you a free subjugation/crusade option on pretty much any leader in the game due to the rarity of female rulers in general. Tribal Islam is up to the point of being overpowered. (Such as reconquering Slavic lands as a Slav from Christians.) The Fun element of Proselytizing is that its the only nature that actively allows you to actively convert (outside of mass conversion events) foreign leaders to your religion. Animistic has same problems as unrelenting, it gives rite of passage event when reaching adulthood which has some flavour. If you need Braunschweig to reform the Germanic faith it is best to conquer it in 769, while the Saxons still control it. I feel it is a waste of slot and good for role play only. The homeland attrition penalty does apply to reformed pagans of another faith, but the "old faith" heresies have no such protection against the reformed churches of their specific branch of paganism. Lastly, pagans may, by decision, convert to the religion of a spouse or concubine of a different faith. Each temple looted in a raid gives +1% to moral authority. GHWs are especially useful for Germanic Fylkirs, who can select the target and timing of the attack. The last playable Slavic ruler is Chief Testislaw of Dyrmin. Flat bonus to levy, garrison size and moral. Interfaith marriage is unavailable. All defensive pagans have access to Ancestor Worship & Choose Patron deity decision. I like Buddhism because the combination of concubinage and heir-nomination means you can end up with an unbroken line of Strong Genius rulers if you play the genetics game well, but unfortunately they're lousy at expansion. They then become the "Reformed" version. Hard to Convert. Reformed religions gain access to holy wars, usable on any target of a different faith (including other pagans). Unrelenting also ignores unreformed pagan attrition but we can easily overcome it with tech later in game. Messalianism because it's the single most outlandish religion in the game. If that was the case, simply raising levies, toggling looter and waiting will remove the prestige penalty. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, it is lost. This is just a bonus I found by accident. a situation/mechanic that doesn't resemble real life in any meaningful way. actually that "pagan" religion in game is just the generic pagan religion that all pagans had before the "old gods" expansion. If you want internal stability, pick Hierocratic and enjoy your excommunications. The Slavic faith is almost gone in the 1066 starting date, and the faith disappears from the world entirely by 1200. +40% garrison size at county of this religion. Reformer becomes the first religious head. The only issue is there is a bug (Snow Crystal pretty much confirmed it's a bug). To help in the struggle against unbelievers, each reformed faith gets a single holy order. The below table contains all 53 religions from Crusader Kings II, along with all religion IDs, for use in console commands such as religion. This is in addition to the pagan homeland attrition penalty, which forces the large numbers of troops needed to invade a defensive pagan home territory to face severe attrition for the duration of any siege. Civilised is closer to tier 3 than tier 1, if we pick this doctrine as Roman Emperor we will never use its full potential as we are locked in Imperial Elective succession. Crusader Kings II. If dawnbreakers would have divine marriage paired with something else than polygamy it would be tier 1. Blood sacrifices is super fun, esp. For every pagan religion there is a special Doctrine, unique only to them, that is most often than not more powerful than normal Doctrines. Hierocratic and Autocephalous is a good way when we don't want to bother much with religious head but want to have high MA. I haven't tried Perun+Daring, I wonder if it would give pirate trait. Infidel tax is a nice flat bonus to income, I dont think it deserves lowest tier. It says we can spend piety to improve curtier abilities but we can do it once per 5 years and can improve stat for one point. Information, Frequently Asked Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. As I try to have everyone with duchy and above titles be of my dynasty I have one save where I have 1000+ opinion just from veneration. Engage in courtly intrigue, dynastic struggles, and holy warfare in medival Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, India, the steppes and Tibet. Ancestor worship, animism and totemistic shamanism dominate, but there are also various pantheons of gods. Keeping moral authority high is also a problem due to weak realms who often lose religious wars. Due to the Germanic faith's long and combative relationship with Catholic western Europe, there are a number of unique events between them. Heir Designation is allowed (if at least one of Rajas of India or Jade Dragon is enabled). Intermarry Eastern group, Zoroastrian group. Is AV and Temporal actually working in conjunction for you or you just marrying into the saints' lines? Alternatively, feudal kings and emperors can enact the "Full Council Authority" law and adopt feudal elective succession. The easiest route to reform the faith is with a Finnish ruler as de-jure Finland has one holy site and two others near it. Enatic-cognatic law is available. I agree with most of what you said but I would put the Civilised doctrine as tier 1. Easily the best for power gaming, as you can directly target Great Holy Wars, and don't . In later starts, expanding north becomes increasingly difficult and by 1066, many rulers of the area have converted to Islam. Stability is in fact quite helpful and has nice synergies, but I wouldn't pick it standalone. Each one can only occur at a certain, and different, time each year. This allows defensive pagans to defeat enemy armies twice their size with ease. 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